Cheateris Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Hi, so I decided to play my main today(wind rider - elf dagger), since before I played with my subs destro/sps. And I found out that "Switch" the key skill for a dagger to get behind enemy's back (by removing the enemy's target state.) is barely working, it has like 15% chance of success rate, when I am sure it should be way higher. And as I mentioned before it is super important/vital skill for olympiad & pvp. Am I wrong? New x50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanat 323 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 + switch Up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 2 часа назад, Cheateris сказал: Hi, so I decided to play my main today(wind rider - elf dagger), since before I played with my subs destro/sps. And I found out that "Switch" the key skill for a dagger to get behind enemy's back (by removing the enemy's target state.) is barely working, it has like 15% chance of success rate, when I am sure it should be way higher. And as I mentioned before it is super important/vital skill for olympiad & pvp. Am I wrong? New x50 Hello, dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanat 323 Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 24% false ((( dream_Derp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 14, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, dream_Derp said: Hello, Did the target u used it on had mental shield buff? Since Trick/switch is a mental attack, and metal shield should decrease that success rate even further. Besides all that, the rate should be dramatically increased, as I mentioned before its a vital skill for a dagger. I would not bring this issue up, but since I main dagger, on other servers(not just javas), "switch" "trick" had much better success rate. Edited June 14, 2020 by Cheateris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Storm Screamer in MA+TT Set and without any buffs. Same SH in same equipe and default mage buff + Zaken Earring + Antharas Earring dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 6 hours ago, dream_Derp said: Storm Screamer in MA+TT Set and without any buffs. Same SH in same equipe and default mage buff + Zaken Earring + Antharas Earring Jewelry doe's not affect switch chance. Mental shield & antharas & zaken does, as u shown in the pictures. Now, u tested it on SH the character with one of the lowest Wit rates in game, So if u test it for example on sps, the rate would be even lower. Wit also add's mental resistance. So basically "Switch" is useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 8 часов назад, Cheateris сказал: sps 19% dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F33L Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Тоже ниче не понял, когда это серьги стали резистить свитч трик ?) Еще смешная ситуация что у некра % шанс прохождения дебафов намного выше и дебафов в разы больше а у бедного пв, один свитч и то едва проходит с мизерным шансом. б-баланс Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Well I guess there is no point having this conversation anymore. Clearly u don't find this "issue/problem" that I pointed out being time worthy to investigate & fix. Sorry for wasting your time 19% btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 1 час назад, Cheateris сказал: Well I guess there is no point having this conversation anymore. Clearly u don't find this "issue/problem" that I pointed out being time worthy to investigate & fix. Sorry for wasting your time 19% btw So what is the problem? Chance 17-23% Cooldown 1-2 second ... This is very good chances and fast CD! dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Very fast cd? Imagine going oly now, u get level 1 haste buff, that makes the "switch" cd way longer + everyone gets mental shield buff, because of hell knife & spirit's staff. Now u have a 20% chance + long cd, but wait! If the opponent has zaken? then chance decreases to 12% and add antharas on top of that u have 5% left, so is it even worth using then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 минуты назад, Cheateris сказал: Very fast cd? Imagine going oly now, u get level 1 haste buff, that makes the "switch" cd way longer + everyone gets mental shield buff, because of hell knife & spirit's staff. Now u have a 20% chance + long cd, but wait! If the opponent has zaken? then chance decreases to 12% and add antharas on top of that u have 5% left, so is it even worth using then? Daggers not class who can farm olympiad on interlude. Like Bow classes and Elemental mages dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) You said it like dagger has no chance in oly. Ofcourse it doesn't when its most vital skills such as switch & trick has awful chance rate. Only hope to win is to land a lethal strike. CRINGE. Basically no skill play for the dagger classes, u can just hope that u make it to a melee range without dying(buffed), and spam every ability, hoping for a lethal strike. And the only way to get the enemy's back is by bluff. Because spamming "switch" which is 20% and lower success rate is just time wasting. Edited June 15, 2020 by Cheateris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 27 минут назад, Cheateris сказал: You said it like dagger has no chance in oly. Ofcourse it doesn't when its most vital skills such as switch & trick has awful chance rate. Only hope to win is to land a lethal strike. CRINGE. Basically no skill play for the dagger classes, u can just hope that u make it to a melee range without dying(buffed), and spam every ability, hoping for a lethal strike. And the only way to get the enemy's back is by bluff. Because spamming "switch" which is 20% and lower success rate is just time wasting. For daggers on olympiad will not help switch and trick, nothing! Daggers and bow class dont have any chance with summoner or support classes. Dagger this is PvP Class, Not Olympiad class! dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) I guess u never played dagger, with working skills. Or u don't care about them because the server contains like 2-3% of them?(Dagger players) I noticed that u only have your own opinion and thats it. Sorry, but I can't respect that, because what u said about daggers "switch chance is ok" "dagger is not a oly farmer" "dagger has no chance in oly" I clearly find it offensive, unproffesional. Sorry to tell u that, but u have a LACK of game KNOWLEDGE specially as an "Admin". Edited June 15, 2020 by Cheateris Fanat 323 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 3 часа назад, Cheateris сказал: I guess u never played dagger, with working skills. Or u don't care about them because the server contains like 2-3% of them?(Dagger players) I noticed that u only have your own opinion and thats it. Sorry, but I can't respect that, because what u said about daggers "switch chance is ok" "dagger is not a oly farmer" "dagger has no chance in oly" I clearly find it offensive, unproffesional. Sorry to tell u that, but u have a LACK of game KNOWLEDGE specially as an "Admin". You played on other chronicles. ( Not interlude ) On Interlude chronicles Dagger class never farming oly. NEVER! Skills work good, have high chanse - 17-23% and low cooldown. Better to be just not able! p.s. Not forgot for Mirage, or u want to make impossible take Dagger in target? dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 First of all, where did I said that daggers can farm oly? Second, how do you know which chronicles I played before? And the final third one.. Have you ever played dagger on interlude servers, besides this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 4 часа назад, Cheateris сказал: "dagger has no chance in oly" I clearly find it offensive, unproffesional. Sorry to tell u that, but u have a LACK of game KNOWLEDGE specially as an "Admin". You contradict yourself 20% Chance and 1 second cd this bad for u? really? Need make 100% and 0.01 sec cd? dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheateris Posted June 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Read again, I was quoting what u said, not me, u should be smart enough to see it. At this point I Don't care anymore as I said before u lack game knowlegde, which is a disgrace for an Admin. Bye Close the topic. Edited June 16, 2020 by Cheateris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dream_Derp Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 9 часов назад, Cheateris сказал: Read again, I was quoting what u said, not me, u should be smart enough to see it. At this point I Don't care anymore as I said before u lack game knowlegde, which is a disgrace for an Admin. Bye Close the topic. u lack game knowledge because u want more than 20% chance for "switch" This not fair to all other class. Closed! dream_derp @dream_derp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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